From: tjs@eecs.umich.edu (Timothy J. Stanley) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 25 Oct 1995 23:29:09 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI In article <1995Oct26.104456@cantva> misc089@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (WHEN MY BODY LAY 6 FEET DEEP THEN I KNOW WHAT LOVE IS) writes: I have recently cut myself a slide from wine bottle, (a cheap wine bottle) anyway I ain't sound right. So anybody have suggestion about what kind of wine or spirit bottle is the best for a bottle neck slide ? Hey, this is a terrific question for the FAQ. I will collate all responses (that are non-inflamatory and do not insult any previous posters, not that its likely to happen in this forum) and put them on my www page with all of the other guitar stuff... I used to use the generic chrome slide you buy at a generic music store. I wouldn't recommend it because: 1) The chrome gets little divots in it, pock marks and whatnot, and they make scratchy sounds that you don't want. 2) It is light and sort of "sounds" light. I never really liked the light feel or light sound. Make sure distribution is to world so I definitely see it... Mail me directly if you don't want to post... Let the pontification begin... T --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Stanley Graduate Student Research Assistant University of Michigan Advanced Computer Architecture Laboratory tjs@eecs.umich.edu http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~tjs/ -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Stanley Graduate Student Research Assistant University of Michigan Advanced Computer Architecture Laboratory tjs@eecs.umich.edu http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~tjs/ From: triumph@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Patten) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:34:21 GMT Organization: Netcom > I have recently cut myself a slide from wine bottle, (a cheap wine bottle) > anyway I ain't sound right. So anybody have suggestion about what kind of > wine or spirit bottle is the best for a bottle neck slide ? > 1) The chrome gets little divots in it, pock marks and whatnot, > and they make scratchy sounds that you don't want. > > 2) It is light and sort of "sounds" light. I never really > liked the light feel or light sound. I read that a Mateus bottle works the best. That's a real cheap rose, does anyone know if they still make it? From: meric@harris.Stanford.EDU (Meric Ozcan) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 25 Oct 1995 23:11:20 GMT Organization: Stanford University In article <1995Oct26.104456@cantva> misc089@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (WHEN MY BODY LAY 6 FEET DEEP THEN I KNOW WHAT LOVE IS) writes: >I have recently cut myself a slide from wine bottle, (a cheap wine bottle) >anyway I ain't sound right. So anybody have suggestion about what kind of >wine or spirit bottle is the best for a bottle neck slide ? Any California Cabernet Sauvignon (sp?) bottle that costs over $10 :) > >Thanks > No problem. Meric From: Chad Leitold Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 26 Oct 1995 15:09:45 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba tjs@eecs.umich.edu (Timothy J. Stanley) wrote: > >I used to use the generic chrome slide you buy at a generic music store. >I wouldn't recommend it because: > > 1) The chrome gets little divots in it, pock marks and whatnot, > and they make scratchy sounds that you don't want. > > 2) It is light and sort of "sounds" light. I never really > liked the light feel or light sound. > Has anyone tried the Corriciadin slides? I THINK they're distributed by Dunlop now...if I remember correctly, they were supposed to be based on the glass medicine bottles Duane Allman favoured for slide... Chad Leitold "Sometimes I ask myself... U of MB have I the right to be this good?" - Ted Nugent From: BAH@msg.ti.com (Barry Houtchen) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:17:27 GMT triumph@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Patten) wrote: >> I have recently cut myself a slide from wine bottle, (a cheap wine >bottle) >> anyway I ain't sound right. So anybody have suggestion about what >kind of >> wine or spirit bottle is the best for a bottle neck slide ? As I have previously posted on this newsgroup, there are a number of important factors in selecting a bottle for slide. First of all, do NOT use a Tequila or sake bottle, as you cannot get good tone from anything not made in the USA (see ongoing Fender thread). Even buying from a Hispanic liquor store clerk will affect the tone. Be very careful. You could not possibly make a good slide out of a bottle of wine from the corner liquor store unless it was pre-1965. Anything newer is sh*t. Vintage wine bottles dredged up from the Titanic are the best tone-wise. The wino I got my bottle from said it was emptied by Leo Fender himself in 1948 while celebrating after the sale of the first Fender Broadcaster. Collectors, note that it is for sale (serious offers only please). Also, pay attention to which end of the bottleneck you insert your finger into. This may affect your tone similar to those directional guitar cords. If you stick your finger in the bottle mouth, your tone will not be 'full' or 'spacious' or it will sound 'brittle' or 'f*cked up'. Or maybe you just set your amp tone controls wrong. Just venting warp drive plasma, :) smiley alert BH From: BAH.DSHPO01A@DSHBGW1.ITG.ti.com (Barry Houtchen) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:52 CDT To: tjs@smaug.eecs.umich.edu Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Tim, Glad you liked my little article. Feel free to edit it and the text below. Since you are doing a FAQ on slides, here is some SERIOUS FAQ oriented input: I have used thin glass, thick glass, chromed steel, and brass slides at different times. My experience with the metal slides is that they do tend to scratch and pit or corrode over time. The chrome slide (Gibson) rusted on the inside so that I didn't want to put my finger in it. The brass slide (Latch Lake) sounds good, and with a little periodic cleanup and care provides good service. Coricidin bottle clones don't do anything more for me than an equivalent glass cylinder of the same thickness. My favorite slide is a thick Dunlop glass slide. I don't know the exact thickness, but it is about the same as a wine bottle. Thinner glass slides sound tinnier to my ear. Brass is my personal close second choice. If you are worried about glass breakage or have a glass phobia, brass is a good alternative. Fit is important. I went through a few slides before I got the right inner diameter so it felt comfortable on my pinky. If it is too tight your finger will sweat and get unhappy. If it is too loose it can be a chore to hold on to, especially while fretting with your other fingers. I learned slide on the ring finger, but changed after discovering that one can really chord a lot better with the slide on the pinky. I strongly recommend using the pinky. It is not hard at all to switch, BTW, except you may want to get smaller diameter slide. When playing electric slide, I use a Fender Strat, neck pickup only, with the volume up a bit compared to fretted notes. I also like to use a distortion pedal, mainly to increase the sustain. A Les Paul would be a better axe for slide, but I can't afford one, and don't need one for anything else. In summary, I like glass slides roughly the thickness of a wine bottle for tone. Brass is also a good material for those who don't like glass. Both types are commercially plentiful or can be made at home. Hope This Helps, Barry --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:07:09 -0700 From: rickbsox@ix.netcom.com (Rick Bowersox ) Subject: Re: Best bottle neck To: tjs@eecs.umich.edu (Timothy J. Stanley) I cut a lot of wine bottles before I gave up alcohol. The best are Italian chiantis then just about any US bordeaux bottle. Eastern European bordeaux bottles tended to hav irregular glass thicknesses. Umm... I was known to buy a particular wine because I liked the shape of the bottle neck. I use the bottle necks with my strat; they seem to be less troublesome on the strat than on any of my acoustic guitars. For the acoustic guitars I use a medium weight glass tube [Jim Dunlap #215]. I auditioned a lot of slides and ettled on these. A lot of beginners make the mistake of buying a light glass tube slide - they are cheap, after all - and find that it won't do the job. Fwiw, -Rick -- Rick Bowersox ^ ^ "...said the Cat: rickbsox@ix.netcom.com (|) (|) 'we're all mad here.'" o John 14:6 \=+++=/ Matthew 6:19-21 Keep circulating the tapes. From: noodles@ibm.net (Noodles@Stuck.Inside.My.Computer.Net) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 27 Oct 1995 06:55:06 GMT Organization: Hell Toupee, The World's OKest Rock Band In <1995Oct26.104456@cantva>, misc089@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (WHEN MY BODY LAY 6 FEET DEEP THEN I KNOW WHAT LOVE IS) writes: >I have recently cut myself a slide from wine bottle, (a cheap wine bottle) >anyway I ain't sound right. So anybody have suggestion about what kind of >wine or spirit bottle is the best for a bottle neck slide ? There's nothing quite like those old glass medicine bottles, made by Coricedan, I think. They fit on your finger nicely, are just the right weight, and sound smooth with no whine. Now if only I could find one somewhere--seems that bottle collectors think they're pretty spiffy, hoard them all, and sell them at insane prices. ============================================================================ | Noodles | Fender Strat or Gibson Les Paul+ | | Guitarist for Hell Toupee | Fender Blues DeVille = Tone Heaven | | "Just think of our sound like |--------------------------------------- | Pink Floyd jamming with Hootie | REALITY.SYS Corrupt!!! | | & the Blowfish at SRV's house." | Reboot Universe? (y/n) | ============================================================================ Visit the band's homepage!!! You can reach it through the homepage of our beloved rhythm guitarist, Bemo, at http://tamos.gmu.edu/~bemo/helltoupee.html From: goodwin@Primenet.Com (Larry Goodwin) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: RE: BEST BOTTLE NECK Date: 28 Oct 1995 14:28:15 GMT Organization: Primenet In a message dated 10-27-95, noodles@ibm.net said to All: noodles>There's nothing quite like those old glass medicine bottles, made by noodles>Coricedan, I think. They fit on your finger nicely, are just the right noodles>weight, and sound smooth with no whine. Now if only I could find one noodles>somewhere--seems that bottle collectors think they're pretty spiffy, noodles>hoard them all, and sell them at insane prices. When I was a kid (TOO many years ago!) I liberated one of those bottles from my parents medicine chest, after reading an interview of Duane Allman. I think they are a little too lightweight, and I greatly prefer the neck from a Mateus bottle. (I liberated one of those as well, but that's a different story......) The big problem with the medicine bottles is that the end is closed, and your finger gets rather sweaty. *************************************************************************** * Larry Goodwin KC6WOG * reply to... INTERNET: goodwin@primenet.com * * 73 es gud DX * AX25 PACKET: kc6wog@wb6wfh#soca.ca.usa * * --... ...-- * Better Living Through Sound Effect Editing * *************************************************************************** --- þ MR/2 2.03 NR þ They call it stormy Monday, but Tuesday's just as bad. From: jthomas9@ix.netcom.com (Jeff Thomas) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 29 Oct 1995 17:57:05 GMT Organization: Netcom In tjs@eecs.umich.edu (Timothy J. Stanley) writes: > > >In article <1995Oct26.104456@cantva> misc089@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (WHEN MY BODY LAY 6 FEET DEEP THEN I KNOW WHAT LOVE IS) writes: > > I have recently cut myself a slide from wine bottle, (a cheap wine bottle) > anyway I ain't sound right. So anybody have suggestion about what kind of > wine or spirit bottle is the best for a bottle neck slide ? > > There are SO many possible options, that as with most things musical, it's a matter of personal taste. I have several different slides that I use, some for different guitars, or even different sounds with the same guitar. Copper plumbing tubing works well, as do old socket wrench sockets, bottles (wine, whiskey, whatever), etc. Duane Allman used an old medicine bottle (which is being made and sold as slides now), and the possibilities are endless. Just keep looking for stuff you could use, and try it. Also, like many things related to tone, many times technique is more important than equipment. If you're just starting to play slide, the particular slide being used is not as important as spending time playing. when you're really comfortable with the technique, then is the time to study the nuances of tone produced by different slides. Hope this helps, and good luck in the quest for tone! JT From: wgsacks@artsci.wustl.edu (William G. Sacks) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 29 Oct 1995 22:30:53 GMT Organization: College of Arts and Sciences -- Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri, USA WHEN MY BODY LAY 6 FEET DEEP THEN I KNOW WHAT LOVE IS (misc089@csc.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote: : I have recently cut myself a slide from wine bottle, (a cheap wine bottle) : anyway I ain't sound right. So anybody have suggestion about what kind of : wine or spirit bottle is the best for a bottle neck slide ? One possible suggestion: some of the thickest liquor bottle "walls" can be found by shopping for cognac. Hennessy, for instance, uses a particularly thick wall because their caps have built-in corks. One caveat: the seams can be a bit pronounced with a heavy piece of bottleneck glass, which means you're going to have to smooth at least one side out... From: mayhan@csc.mc.edu (E. Paul Mayhan) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 1 Nov 1995 14:20:36 -0600 Organization: Mississippi College, Clinton, MS -- USA The medicine bottle sounds good, and I kinda liked the way you could move your finger around inside it. I broke mine, and bought a heavy brass one. It's a little brighter than the glass, but lacks the roundness. -- Paul Mayhan- Any resemblance to any normal person, living or dead, is purely coincidental. From: wyzard@vet.purdue.edu (Wyzard King) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 13:48:27 GMT Organization: Purdue University SVM mayhan@csc.mc.edu (E. Paul Mayhan) wrote: >The medicine bottle sounds good, and I kinda liked the way you could move >your finger around inside it. I broke mine, and bought a heavy brass one. >It's a little brighter than the glass, but lacks the roundness. My favorite bottle neck so far is from the larger bottle (.75L?) of DeKuyper Schnapps (ok, so I've no idea how to spell it!). They're the long neck bottles that are generally brown in color. The glass is pretty thick, the neck is pretty straight and the opening almost perfectly fits my pinky. Also, I have a good supply of them, living near a college campus! 8-) -- Wyzard (wyzard@vet.purdue.edu) "Time won't let me..." From: jason@cnd.hp.com (Jason Goldman) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 2 Nov 1995 17:46:40 GMT Chad Leitold (umleito0@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : tjs@eecs.umich.edu (Timothy J. Stanley) wrote: : > : >I used to use the generic chrome slide you buy at a generic music store. : >I wouldn't recommend it because: : > : > 1) The chrome gets little divots in it, pock marks and whatnot, : > and they make scratchy sounds that you don't want. : > : > 2) It is light and sort of "sounds" light. I never really : > liked the light feel or light sound. : > : Has anyone tried the Corriciadin slides? I THINK they're distributed by : Dunlop now...if I remember correctly, they were supposed to be based on the : glass medicine bottles Duane Allman favoured for slide... Yes, this is what I use now. Personally, I prefer glass to chromed steel or brass. The two things I like best about the Corricidian slides are that the glass has enough weight to it os that the tone is real nice and that it fits nicely onto my finger (because it's not open at the fingertip). The slide is based on the old medicine bottles that Coricidan cold medicine came in. Duane and others used them for years. Jason jason@bluestar.cnd.hp.com From: wyzard@vet.purdue.edu (Wyzard King) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: Thu, 02 Nov 95 13:48:27 GMT Organization: Purdue University SVM mayhan@csc.mc.edu (E. Paul Mayhan) wrote: >The medicine bottle sounds good, and I kinda liked the way you could move >your finger around inside it. I broke mine, and bought a heavy brass one. >It's a little brighter than the glass, but lacks the roundness. My favorite bottle neck so far is from the larger bottle (.75L?) of DeKuyper Schnapps (ok, so I've no idea how to spell it!). They're the long neck bottles that are generally brown in color. The glass is pretty thick, the neck is pretty straight and the opening almost perfectly fits my pinky. Also, I have a good supply of them, living near a college campus! 8-) -- Wyzard (wyzard@vet.purdue.edu) "Time won't let me..." From: jason@cnd.hp.com (Jason Goldman) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 2 Nov 1995 17:46:40 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Chad Leitold (umleito0@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : tjs@eecs.umich.edu (Timothy J. Stanley) wrote: : > : >I used to use the generic chrome slide you buy at a generic music store. : >I wouldn't recommend it because: : > : > 1) The chrome gets little divots in it, pock marks and whatnot, : > and they make scratchy sounds that you don't want. : > : > 2) It is light and sort of "sounds" light. I never really : > liked the light feel or light sound. : > : Has anyone tried the Corriciadin slides? I THINK they're distributed by : Dunlop now...if I remember correctly, they were supposed to be based on the : glass medicine bottles Duane Allman favoured for slide... Yes, this is what I use now. Personally, I prefer glass to chromed steel or brass. The two things I like best about the Corricidian slides are that the glass has enough weight to it os that the tone is real nice and that it fits nicely onto my finger (because it's not open at the fingertip). The slide is based on the old medicine bottles that Coricidan cold medicine came in. Duane and others used them for years. Jason jason@bluestar.cnd.hp.com From: mikeb@novell.ur.utk.edu (Michael K. Bradley) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:05:37 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee ... for those persons interested, i have stumbled upon a source of truly excellent custommade slides. it sounds like a crock, but i swear its true! .... a pharmaceutical glass manufacturer here in tennessee makes high-grade glass products for labs, medical, military uses, etc. the company makes test tubes, medicine bottles (ala coricidin), slides for microscopes, thin tubes for blood samples, etc. i did an interview with the director of the company for a magazine story for my employer. being a guitarist and an avid slide player, my eyes popped out of my head when i saw them discarding these three inch, leftover waste pieces of glass. he had no clue of what a slide guitar even was. i asked him for a couple pieces and he gave me several, even had an employee heat the end to make it round and smooth. some of them are too thin, but a couple of them have walls nearly half-inch thick! i took it home and played it and FORGET coricidin bottles! the tone is unbelieveable! i called the guy back and he said they weren't interested in making guitar slides (i'm convinced he thinks i'm crazy), but he is sending me a bunch more of the thick ones, cut to different lengths. besides the tones and feel of this glass, it is also break resistant (he slammed one against a concret floor and it didn't break) and he monogrammed a few with a cool looking company logo (which he said could easily be my initials if i wanted). i've used steel sears sockets (ala lowell george), all kinds of glass, bottle tops, coricidinbottle, brass, you name it. NONE of them sounded as good as this, and the glass ones i've loved always broke. i love talking about slide guitar and good tone, like warren haynes, dickey betts, duane allman, ry cooder, johnny winter, dave hole, david lindley, robert johnson, etc. once i get enough of these slides i want some other people to try them. so anyone interested please get in touch! From: jason@cnd.hp.com (Jason Goldman) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: 6 Nov 1995 17:25:17 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Chad Leitold (umleito0@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : jason@cnd.hp.com (Jason Goldman) wrote: : >brass. The two things I like best about the Corricidian slides are that the : >glass has enough weight to it os that the tone is real nice and that it fits : >nicely onto my finger (because it's not open at the fingertip). The slide is : >based on the old medicine bottles that Coricidan cold medicine came in. Duane : >and others used them for years. : > : >Jason : >jason@bluestar.cnd.hp.com : > : I'm glad to know they're not the open-ended type; a closed glass slide is what : I've been looking for, but I've never found them for sale in my area. Any : recommendations for obtaining them through mail order? Also, how large are : these slides, in terms of length and diameter? I bought mine locally, but I've seen them in the mailorder catalogs (like AMS or Musician's Friend). As somebody mentioned earlier, I think that they're made by Dunlop now. I don't have it here at work, but the slide is about 2.5 inches long and on the order of 1 inch in diameter, I'd guess. The neck of the bottle is a little smaller. Jason jason@bluestar.cnd.hp.com Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar From: Don Brocha Subject: Re: Best bottle neck Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:04:40 GMT In article <47dd44$jg@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Chad Leitold, umleito0@cc.umanitoba.ca writes: >I've been looking for, but I've never found them for sale in my area. (Coricidan bottle slides that is) Elderly Instruments has them in two lengths 2 3/4" or 2 3/8". They cost about 6 bucks, this is probably more than when you could buy them full off the drugstore shelf! I've got one on order, hope it gets here soon, Elderly seems a little slow in shipping sometimes. Call 517 372-7890 ext 123 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:49:38 -0400 From: George <102050.2536@CompuServe.COM> To: tjs@eecs.umich.edu Subject: Best bottle neck I have done a lot of experimentation with slides, and find that a good wine bottle by far sounds the best. I've given up cutting my own for now. I'm using bottles cut by a guy in New Orleans. They are available through International Guitar, and That's Trash That's Cool.(both in N.O.) Look in Vitage Guitar Mag. for their addresses. The slides go for about $9. Also, Big Heart Slide is making a pretty good bottle, but I sometimes have to go through a few to find one with big tone. I love a good wine bottle, but unfortunately, they break easily. And I break them frequently. These two sources are easily available. Please keep me posted. I'm an avid slide player, and I'm always into new info. George 102050.2536@compuserv.com